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[Ted Bundy]

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[Ted Bundy]

Testosterone Enanthate
Testosterone Cypionate
Testosterone Propionate

Typical cycle length
10 to 16 weeks

Support basics
Tadalafil
Omega-3 (fish oil)
Regular blood pressure monitoring

what????

converts into estradiol and DHT, which is why it supports more than muscle and libido alone. Mood, cognition, bone health, and cardiovascular function all rely on those downstream hormones.

gpt mini

 

[Biomaxx]

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gpt mini

25% ain't even that bad, I use it for spelling checks and shit anyway

Also how tf are supplements getting flagged as ai ? Be fr

 

[Ted Bundy]

Also how tf are supplements getting flagged as ai ? Be fr

because there's jackshit of data behind them.
you just asked ai the mechanism of both sides and thought they'll counteract them

i not how it works
omega 3 is jackshit, makes 0 sense
and megadose melatonin is bad, it's not high dose = better with it, you'll just get headache and nausea afternormal dose

long release ester should've been the recommendation

and jfl at the 10-16 weeks cycle
not ideal even on test p

and you put it in the same group as test c & e

 

[Biomaxx]

because there's jackshit of data behind them.
you just asked ai the mechanism of both sides and thought they'll counteract them

i not how it works
omega 3 is jackshit, makes 0 sense
and megadose melatonin is bad, it's not high dose = better with it, you'll just get headache and nausea afternormal dose

long release ester should've been the recommendation

and jfl at the 10-16 weeks cycle
not ideal even on test p

and you put it in the same group as test c & e

Omega-3 isnt ideal but for someone not wanting to take tons of lab made shit/ expensive shit, its a great add in

High dose melatonin acts as an antioxidant and anti-inflammatory

Esters completely rely on the person's cycle (wether its trt or not)

A 10-16 week is standard

Ofc I put it in the same group and other test bases ??

 

[Estcel]

Testosterone​

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Compounds
Testosterone Enanthate
Testosterone Cypionate
Testosterone Propionate

Typical cycle length
10 to 16 weeks

Support basics
Tadalafil
Omega-3 (fish oil)
Regular blood pressure monitoring

Primary metabolic pathway
Aromatase → estradiol
5α-reductase → DHT

Recovery difficulty
Generally straightforward
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Testosterone is the foundation because it’s what the male endocrine system is designed to work with.

Structurally, it’s a C19 steroid with a 17β-hydroxyl group, which allows clean androgen-receptor binding and metabolism through pathways the body already recognises.

(Esterification doesn’t change the hormone itself; it simply slows release)

Once active, testosterone converts into estradiol and DHT, which is why it supports more than muscle and libido alone. Mood, cognition, bone health, and cardiovascular function all rely on those downstream hormones.

Mentally, this is usually the most stable class, with issues typically coming from estrogen mismanagement, poor sleep, or rising blood pressure rather than the compound itself.

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Interesting study​

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DHT-Derived Androgens​

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Compounds
Anavar
Winstrol
Masteron

Typical cycle length
6 to 10 weeks

Support basics
Omega-3 (fish oil)
Ezetimibe
Low-dose tadalafil

Primary metabolic pathway
Non-aromatising
Hepatic metabolism (oral forms)

Recovery difficulty
Mild to moderate
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DHT derivatives are already 5-alpha reduced, meaning they cannot convert into estrogen. This is what gives them their dry, tight appearance and makes them easier to manage in the short term.

Over time, HDL tends to drop, vascular protection declines, joints may feel drier, and neurosteroid production decreases.

Mentally, this often presents as increased focus paired with reduced emotional range or a more rigid mindset the longer these compounds are used.

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19-Nortestosterone Derivatives​

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Compounds
Nandrolone
Trenbolone
Norethandrolone

Typical cycle length:
8 to 12 weeks

Support basics
High-dose melatonin
Tadalafil
Omega-3 (fish oil)

Primary metabolic pathway
Altered androgen-receptor binding
Progesterone-receptor interaction
CNS-active metabolites

Recovery difficulty
Difficult
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19-nors are defined by removal of the 19th carbon methyl group, a small structural change that significantly alters receptor binding and downstream gene expression.

These compounds are highly anabolic, but they are also more disruptive across multiple systems. They interact with progesterone receptors and produce central nervous system metabolites that behave differently than testosterone or DHT.

Trenbolone intensifies this through stronger and more persistent receptor binding.

Mentally, this class is most associated with sleep disruption, anxiety, blunted reward response, and mood instability, especially as exposure length increases.

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Oral 17α-Alkylated Androgens​

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Compounds
Anadrol
Dianabol
Halotestin

Typical cycle length
3 to 6 weeks

Support basics
NAC
TUDCA
Omega-3 (fish oil)

Primary metabolic pathway
17α-alkylated hepatic metabolism
Bile-flow interference

Recovery difficulty
Moderate
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Orals work because a methyl or ethyl group is added at the 17α position, allowing the compound to survive first-pass liver metabolism.

That same modification interferes with normal bile flow and hepatic processing. HDL drops quickly, liver enzymes rise, and cardiovascular strain builds early.

Orals act fast and feel strong, which makes them appealing, but the cost often shows up quickly in blood work.

Mentally, many users notice an initial boost followed by irritability, reduced stress tolerance, poorer sleep, and mental fatigue

Much love bhais
Hmu for any questions or 1:1 coaching

until next time
biomaxx

havent been online in some time and I see this masterpiece, mirin + bump

 

[Ted Bundy]

A 10-16 week is standard

it's uni-deal, outdated, 16 weeks minimum, and even r/steroids wiki recommends 20 weeks for beginners
also, if ester is slower, it's taking a long time to fully saturate aswell

10 weeks is in no way a smart idea

Omega-3 isnt ideal but for someone not wanting to take tons of lab made shit/ expensive shit, its a great add in

yeah, the fish oil is truly not made i lab, and you're o=injecting steroids but worrying about "muh natural", sure


it shouldn't even be included in the discussion, it's not doing any major contribution in the steroid protocol
jfl at this cope
"great add-in"


and my longer-ester recommendation was about the Tren part, for insomnia
test-p , mogs in ever way

Ofc I put it in the same group and other test bases ??

I meant your timeline is fucked
10 weeks, when test c is taking like 4 weeks to fullly saturate
you're not reaching even close to the potential, just so much gains waste

If you were saying test p for 10-16, it would still be far from idea, but a lil less stupid

High dose melatonin acts as an antioxidant and anti-inflammatory

jfl at this, too, it's not moving the needle for inflammation on roids

there were 15 things with 150x stronger anti-inflammatory & antioxidant properties

+ megadose melatonin is far far worse than normal dose, go on, come up with the numbers/
dubt it makes any difference at mega doses, and even if it did, the sides aren't worth it when you have compounds designed for that

it's like eating sugar for IGF-1 or sum

 

[Biomaxx]

it's uni-deal, outdated, 16 weeks minimum, and even r/steroids wiki recommends 20 weeks for beginners
also, if ester is slower, it's taking a long time to fully saturate aswell

10 weeks is in no way a smart idea


yeah, the fish oil is truly not made i lab, and you're o=injecting steroids but worrying about "muh natural", sure


it shouldn't even be included in the discussion, it's not doing any major contribution in the steroid protocol
jfl at this cope
"great add-in"


and my longer-ester recommendation was about the Tren part, for insomnia
test-p , mogs in ever way


I meant your timeline is fucked
10 weeks, when test c is taking like 4 weeks to fullly saturate
you're not reaching even close to the potential, just so much gains waste

If you were saying test p for 10-16, it would still be far from idea, but a lil less stupid




jfl at this, too, it's not moving the needle for inflammation on roids

there were 15 things with 150x stronger anti-inflammatory & antioxidant properties

+ megadose melatonin is far far worse than normal dose, go on, come up with the numbers/
dubt it makes any difference at mega doses, and even if it did, the sides aren't worth it when you have compounds designed for that

it's like eating sugar for IGF-1 or sum

Melatonin's Impact on Antioxidative and Anti-Inflammatory Reprogramming in Homeostasis and Disease - PubMed https://share.google/v00Od2DfKDW0bTrnn

Melatonin: exceeding expectations - PubMed https://share.google/vFpVB5CeN1GxY4Wul

I agree that a 10 week cycle wont give u much but its there as a minimum, let think for a second, not everyone is comfortable running longer cycles so im posting a minimum for said people.

I agree longer tren ester mog, I didnt say they didnt

And again with the omega 3, im not saying to use it as the only protective compund but its super cheap and worth adding in, especially if on dries

 

[Mandy]

because there's jackshit of data behind them.
you just asked ai the mechanism of both sides and thought they'll counteract them

i not how it works
omega 3 is jackshit, makes 0 sense
and megadose melatonin is bad, it's not high dose = better with it, you'll just get headache and nausea afternormal dose

long release ester should've been the recommendation

and jfl at the 10-16 weeks cycle
not ideal even on test p

and you put it in the same group as test c & e

Rite like fucking high dose omega 3 is so retarded.
But high dose melatonin,works.

 

[Biomaxx]

Rite like fucking high dose omega 3 is so retarded.
But high dose melatonin,works.

You're an opp bruh

 

[Mirin]

You're an opp bruh

Megadosing omega 3 benefits?

 

[Mandy]

You're an opp bruh

Son I’m sorry I told you before omega 3s are literally RETARDED. I like omegas tho

 

[Mirin]

Son I’m sorry I told you before omega 3s are literally RETARDED. I like omegas tho

I use it for no reason lol

 

[Mandy]

I use it for no reason lol

Son hop off it

 

[Mirin]

Son hop off it

Why lol it doesnt hurt and its not like im Mega dosing it.

 

[khanlite]

Mirin thread but i wanted to ask how come Undecanoate isn't that commonly used

 

[Mandy]

Why lol it doesnt hurt and it’s not like im Mega dosing it.

You might think you just don’t want to eat omega 6 fatty acid like lenoic acid,but omega 3 is also a polyunsaturated fat that has multiple unstable bonds meaning that their oxidation is very prone. Even dosages of 1g a day of DHA and EPA cause excess oxidative stress. The only part where omega 3s are necessary is the brain,and the half life of omega 3s in brain tissue of literally 2.5 years. The thing is,natural omega 3 sources such as fish is balanced naturally with vitamin E,a cell protecter against oxidative stress and the usual amount of a serving of fish just has 200-500mg of omega 3 fatty acids which is suitable both for the adult and a developing person.

 

[Mirin]

You might think you just don’t want to eat omega 6 fatty acid like lenoic acid,but omega 3 is also a polyunsaturated fat that has multiple unstable bonds meaning that their oxidation is very prone. Even dosages of 1g a day of DHA and EPA cause excess oxidative stress. The only part where omega 3s are necessary is the brain,and the half life of omega 3s in brain tissue of literally 2.5 years. The thing is,natural omega 3 sources such as fish is balanced naturally with vitamin E,a cell protecter against oxidative stress and the usual amount of a serving of fish just has 200-500mg of omega 3 fatty acids which is suitable both for the adult and a developing person.

Alright thanks

 

[Biomaxx]

Mirin thread but i wanted to ask how come Undecanoate isn't that commonly used

Bc its ass