Has anyone tried banded sleeping for height? (1 Viewer)

[DoorHandle5]

Title

 

[nineteen]

Holy

 

[SinisterTRADition]

nigga didn't you already ask this retarded question.

 

[DoorHandle5]

nigga didn't you already ask this retarded question.

No that was my twin

 

[Circadex]

Title

Cope

 

[VelocityAnt]

A long time ago, the C.E.O of banded sleeping was on here but it changed for the better (or worse) when he vanished from .gg ......

 

[DoorHandle5]

Cope

Balls

 

[orbi]

Why not do analogs and gh

 

[DoorHandle5]

There has to be someone here who tried it

 

[FoidSlayer]

There has to be someone here who tried it

Holy has

It's cope tho

 

[DoorHandle5]

Holy has

It's cope tho

Did he really? For how long?

 

[FoidSlayer]

Did he really? For how long?

I'm not sure. He can answer if he ever gets on his computer again

 

[FatRetard]

Piss off

 

[DoorHandle5]

I'm not sure. He can answer if he ever gets on his computer again

He seems active. But I’ll ask him. Did he confirm to you that it didn’t work?

 

[FoidSlayer]

He seems active. But I’ll ask him. Did he confirm to you that it didn’t work?

Apparently it helped him.. I think

 

[DoorHandle5]

Holy did it work?

 

[DoorHandle5]

Apparently it helped him.. I think

If he’s some dude who’s still in puberty JFL

 

[FoidSlayer]

If he’s some dude who’s still in puberty JFL

He's 16

 

[DoorHandle5]

He's 16

dude…. Dumbass mfer went through puberty and attributes it to some bs like banded sleepingn

 

[DoorHandle5]

syna can you prove why banded sleeping is cope for bone stretching and IVD hyperlasia/hypertrophy

 

[DoorHandle5]

syna stop running away

 

[DoorHandle5]

Dexter

 

[syna]

syna can you prove why banded sleeping is cope for bone stretching and IVD hyperlasia/hypertrophy

syna stop running away

last time I'm ever replying to your bs, you tag me again for bs like this and you are banned, banded sleeping doesn't work because once of gravity, once you wake up and do your normal tasks gravity starts to compress your spine again, so it's not permanent and height gains are also not insane results, and also the same premise as always, you need cartilage tissue created from the growth plates and then endochondral ossification at the epiphyseal plate so no cartilage formation = no ossification, also i know you are gonna bring up some bs like "muh but microfractures" microfractures heal with callus formation, but this adds density/strength at the existing bone, it doesn't lengthen the bone at all whatsoever, so you aren't causing any real elongation with it.

And this also doesn't cause IVD hyperplasia/hypertrophy at all, vertebral disks don't behave like muscles, so the whole premise of causing hyperplasia or hypertrophy is wrong also the studies that conducted investigations related to spine decompression all found that the effects presented by this technique only last about 30 minutes tops, and like i mentioned before, once gravity starts acting constantly again they will compress again (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28347933/) , i think it's safe to say you can't win a battle against gravity, anyways, the only thing that the loading actually does is a mild "hydration" but it's not the one that actually leads to elongation, the opposite might occur unironically, sustained traction/compression actually leads more to induce an unideal environment causing cell apoptosis, matrix breakdown, fibrosis, or loss of disc height over time shifting the disks towards catabolism rather than growth.

The animal and invitro studies that showed any bone remodeling used distraction osteogenesis, and even with distraction the results of the experiment hint at temporary rehydration or gene expression changes rather than what you are looking for which is elongation, anyways, TLDR, it doesn't cause neither IVD hyperplasia or hypertrophy, it only causes a mild decompression which is reversible and leads to 0 permanent height gains as this is only causing reversible changes in disc height via fluid dynamics and unloading, and again, the temporary decompression is not lasting more than a few hours at best, results at modest and not game changing and gravity will revert all of this with extreme ease, and again, discs don't behave like muscle, you are actually way more likely to induce a catabolism with mechanical loading than to causing any growth.

you tag me again for bs like this and you are permabanned

 

[ManletRage]

Title

Hopefully nobody is this retarded

 

[DoorHandle5]

last time I'm ever replying to your bs, you tag me again for bs like this and you are banned, banded sleeping doesn't work because once of gravity, once you wake up and do your normal tasks gravity starts to compress your spine again, so it's not permanent and height gains are also not insane results, and also the same premise as always, you need cartilage tissue created from the growth plates and then endochondral ossification at the epiphyseal plate so no cartilage formation = no ossification, also i know you are gonna bring up some bs like "muh but microfractures" microfractures heal with callus formation, but this adds density/strength at the existing bone, it doesn't lengthen the bone at all whatsoever, so you aren't causing any real elongation with it.

And this also doesn't cause IVD hyperplasia/hypertrophy at all, vertebral disks don't behave like muscles, so the whole premise of causing hyperplasia or hypertrophy is wrong also the studies that conducted investigations related to spine decompression all found that the effects presented by this technique only last about 30 minutes tops, and like i mentioned before, once gravity starts acting constantly again they will compress again (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28347933/) , i think it's safe to say you can't win a battle against gravity, anyways, the only thing that the loading actually does is a mild "hydration" but it's not the one that actually leads to elongation, the opposite might occur unironically, sustained traction/compression actually leads more to induce an unideal environment causing cell apoptosis, matrix breakdown, fibrosis, or loss of disc height over time shifting the disks towards catabolism rather than growth.

The animal and invitro studies that showed any bone remodeling used distraction osteogenesis, and even with distraction the results of the experiment hint at temporary rehydration or gene expression changes rather than what you are looking for which is elongation, anyways, TLDR, it doesn't cause neither IVD hyperplasia or hypertrophy, it only causes a mild decompression which is reversible and leads to 0 permanent height gains as this is only causing reversible changes in disc height via fluid dynamics and unloading, and again, the temporary decompression is not lasting more than a few hours at best, results at modest and not game changing and gravity will revert all of this with extreme ease, and again, discs don't behave like muscle, you are actually way more likely to induce a catabolism with mechanical loading than to causing any growth.

you tag me again for bs like this and you are permabanned

Fair enough, but for the bones I wasn’t referring to microfractures. I don’t believe microfractures can add length because microfractures are localized and asymmetric. What I was referring to was bone stretching.

bones have plasticity,they are able to bend and compress without breaking (ex. people with rickets). They can go through deformation.

Now there are two types of deformation,
- elastic deformation
- plastic deformation

Elastic is temporary (bone springs back into original shape). Plastic, however, is permanent, the bone stays in the state its deformed in. In theory, it is possible to permanently elongate bone through carefully applied, sustained axial tension. If a long bone is subjected to tension above its yield point but below the fracture threshold, it can plastically deform.

banded sleeping could gradually lengthen by along that axis. Plastic deformation in this way is irreversible, and once the bone remodels under these new mechanical stresses, it could retain the longer shape as the material adapts to reinforce its structure along the new orientation. This principle is analogous to the surgical procedure of distraction osteogenesis, otherwise known as limb lengthening surgery, except that here it relies purely on mechanical stress instead of osteotomy to creating a physical gap.


Applying this concept to banded sleeping, the idea is that by stretching the bone during sleep WITH induced microfractures could induce sustained axial tension along the spine, femur, and tibia gradually stretching the vertebrae, intervertebral discs, and bone over months. In theory, if this tension were maintained consistently and precisely, the bones could undergo plastic deformation, while the discs adapt to the stress, potentially increasing end-to-end length. Over time, this process could create a permanent increase in stature, as the reinforced bones retain their new elongated geometry via osteogenesis.

 

[syna]

Fair enough, but for the bones I wasn’t referring to microfractures. I don’t believe microfractures can add length because microfractures are localized and asymmetric. What I was referring to was bone stretching.

bones have plasticity,they are able to bend and compress without breaking (ex. people with rickets). They can go through deformation.

Now there are two types of deformation,
- elastic deformation
- plastic deformation

Elastic is temporary (bone springs back into original shape). Plastic, however, is permanent, the bone stays in the state its deformed in. In theory, it is possible to permanently elongate bone through carefully applied, sustained axial tension. If a long bone is subjected to tension above its yield point but below the fracture threshold, it can plastically deform.

banded sleeping could gradually lengthen by along that axis. Plastic deformation in this way is irreversible, and once the bone remodels under these new mechanical stresses, it could retain the longer shape as the material adapts to reinforce its structure along the new orientation. This principle is analogous to the surgical procedure of distraction osteogenesis, otherwise known as limb lengthening surgery, except that here it relies purely on mechanical stress instead of osteotomy to creating a physical gap.


Applying this concept to banded sleeping, the idea is that by stretching the bone during sleep WITH induced microfractures could induce sustained axial tension along the spine, femur, and tibia gradually stretching the vertebrae, intervertebral discs, and bone over months. In theory, if this tension were maintained consistently and precisely, the bones could undergo plastic deformation, while the discs adapt to the stress, potentially increasing end-to-end length. Over time, this process could create a permanent increase in stature, as the reinforced bones retain their new elongated geometry via osteogenesis.

no, bones are not muscles, you would just induce bone loss and catabolism instead of remodeling, also the spine is something not worthy to experiment with because of how delicate it is, just get LL.

 

[DoorHandle5]

no, bones are not muscles, you would just induce bone loss and catabolism instead of remodeling, also the spine is something not worthy to experiment with because of how delicate it is, just get LL.

That wouldn’t cause bone loss. It would cause bone remodeling (wolffs law), but that’s besides the point, the premise is that bone has plasticity and can stretch. So I’m still confused as to how it wouldn’t work, and yeah I know the spine is cope but I’m talking about for the legs

 

[DoorHandle5]

Elastic is temporary (bone springs back into original shape). Plastic, however, is permanent, the bone stays in the state its deformed in. In theory, it is possible to permanently elongate bone through carefully applied, sustained axial tension. If a long bone is subjected to tension above its yield point but below the fracture threshold, it can plastically deform.

banded sleeping could gradually lengthen by along that axis. Plastic deformation in this way is irreversible, and once the bone remodels under these new mechanical stresses, it could retain the longer shape as the material adapts to reinforce its structure along the new orientation. This principle is analogous to the surgical procedure of distraction osteogenesis, otherwise known as limb lengthening surgery, except that here it relies purely on mechanical stress instead of osteotomy to creating a physical gap.

Refer to this syna

 

[syna]

That wouldn’t cause bone loss. It would cause bone remodeling (wolffs law), but that’s besides the point, the premise is that bone has plasticity and can stretch. So I’m still confused as to how it wouldn’t work, and yeah I know the spine is cope but I’m talking about for the legs

Leg Lengthening uses distraction osteogenesis, which is a real and valid process backed up by science the hundred of LLs that have been done over the last years, bone remodeling works with constant mechanical tension, but you need to take into account the adaptability of different bones and how it works, spine disks have a very very limited potential (in reality, none ngl) for that purpose, you can't apply the same used for legs to spine disks.

 

[DoorHandle5]

Leg Lengthening uses distraction osteogenesis, which is a real and valid process backed up by science the hundred of LLs that have been done over the last years, bone remodeling works with constant mechanical tension, but you need to take into account the adaptability of different bones and how it works, spine disks have a very very limited potential (in reality, none ngl) for that purpose, you can't apply the same used for legs to spine disks.

I’m not talking about the spine discs anymore. I’m talking about how leg bones can remodel with exercise followed by banded sleeping / stretching to induce something similar to plasticdeformation as I explained in the post above

 

[syna]

I’m not talking about the spine discs anymore. I’m talking about how leg bones can remodel with exercise followed by banded sleeping / stretching to induce something similar to plasticdeformation as I explained in the post above

nope, not really, only thing that actually works is distraction osteogenesis, and this doesn't follow a single principle that distraction osteogenesis does.

 

[DoorHandle5]

nope, not really, only thing that actually works is distraction osteogenesis, and this doesn't follow a single principle that distraction osteogenesis does.

Well you haven’t disproven the theory

 

[DoorHandle5]

nope, not really, only thing that actually works is distraction osteogenesis, and this doesn't follow a single principle that distraction osteogenesis does.

You haven’t disproven it

 

[syna]

Well you haven’t disproven the theory

i did, read it again.

 

[DoorHandle5]

i did, read it again.

You disproved spine discs growing from this and I agreed. But you haven’t disproved the part about leg bones