i dont have his worldview
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not entirely but that aspect you share in common
yeah sure , many people have that in common
playing my hardcore rn
Rabbi Dimond himself refuted sedevacantism more than once 20 years ago.
You call Catholics heretics? Who separated from them? 1054, Filioque is deeply biblical (John 15:26, Gal 4:6), affirmed by the early Church (St. Augustine, St. Cyril), and simply clarifies that the Spirit proceeds through the Son, not just the Father.
The Papacy is Christ’s own institution Peter was given the keys (Matt 16), the power to bind and loose, and the call to feed Christ’s flock (John 21).
There is the Church of Peter Mt 16:1
Having origins in the Apostles Eph 2:2
1 Tim 4:1
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I am not having a debate with you over text, you can add me on discord and we can debate tommorow when I have time, idecphaggot.3000 is my discord handle
also I love the misunderstanding of the verses clearly showing its through the son and not by the son
I invited you
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The Holy Spirit proclaimed Jesus because he comes from him, Jesus proclaims the father because he comes from him, otherwise there would be no equality, The voice of the Holy Spirit is the voice of Godboth the Father and the Son.
When the Holy Spirit proclaims Jesus, it is not as someone separate, but as the One who communicates God's will, that is, the will of the Father and the Son. Jesus breathed this spirit on the apostles, so the spirit must also come from the son
"My father and I are one"
"wherever there is a father, there is also me"
John 15, John 16, our lord Jesus Christ speaks about the holy spirit That he will send him But also that it comes from the father But when the Holy Spirit comes Jesus emphasizes, he will take from mine and he will reveal it to you, The Spirit was to take into Christ, so it must come from him "He will be tellinf about me"
Acts 16
The First Letter of Saint Peter
They call it the spirit of Christ, so it must come from him.
The Spirit presents us with the son and the son presents us with the father, if there were no philoque there would be no Trinity because Then there would be no Trinity which is inseparable, indivisible, equal in majesty then we would have to turn to Millenarianism
I dont think they are equal, orthodox hold to monarchical trinitarianism,
the rest of your arguments are speculation of the verses I am willing to go over when we debate
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I don't see my comment that I sent a month ago, I guess it didn't post. So here you go. Obj1 A theory without foundation
Obj2 He received this honor because he became the first pope of the Holy Church
Obj3-4 The Church has not failed and cannot fail
4 page St. Augustine affirmed the Filioque by calling the Spirit "of the Father and of the Son." The following are quotes from On the Trinity, a.k.a. De Trinitate.
- "...and the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son, but only the Spirit of the Father and of the Son..."
- "...He is the Spirit both of the Father and of the Son."
- "Neither is the Spirit of either thence excluded, that is, the Spirit of the Father and of the Son; which Holy Spirit is specially called the Spirit of truth...[Jn. 14:6]" This is clearly stated, we cannot argue about it.
- I will tell about Saint Cyril later
- 9-10 I don't know what you mean by that.
- 17 Yes, these are heresies, just like the council, but popes can be wrong, the canon confirms it, many saints, doctors of the church, theologians tell us this.
- 18 Yes, but judged by the council or successors, but not by impostors. And besides, canon 188 speaks of persistent heresy, but who judges this? A self-proclaimed sedevacantist or an ecclesiastical court! Who gives sedevacantists the right to judge for themselves, like Protestants, who is pope and who is not? I Will refute with one statement canon 1558 the first capital can only be judged by God
- 23-25 Jan 23 (
Opening Address of the Council.
Mother Church rejoices
October 11, 1962
“This Council wishes to transmit the teaching in a pure and intact manner, without weakening or distorting it.
The point is not to discuss one or another article of doctrine, but to present it in a way that corresponds to the requirements of our times... For the depositum fidei itself, that is, the truths contained in our venerable doctrine, is one thing, and the way in which they are presented is another."
Paul VI in 65
Closing speech of the Council
December 7
"The character of the Council was primarily pastoral." Above all, it was not a Catholic council, because it contained heresies contrary to the previous magisterium. And the teachings that are contrary to Catholic values support Masonic ones.
28-32 I don't need to debunk this because I'm not a sedevacantist.
33- yeah ?
34-I'm not going to read it, it's probably about the fact that the previous magisterium had different opinions than the Vatican. I clearly expressed my opinion on this, the council can be heretical, the pope can be heretical too
Obj2 He received this honor because he became the first pope of the Holy Church
Obj3-4 The Church has not failed and cannot fail
4 page St. Augustine affirmed the Filioque by calling the Spirit "of the Father and of the Son." The following are quotes from On the Trinity, a.k.a. De Trinitate.
- "...and the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son, but only the Spirit of the Father and of the Son..."
- "...He is the Spirit both of the Father and of the Son."
- "Neither is the Spirit of either thence excluded, that is, the Spirit of the Father and of the Son; which Holy Spirit is specially called the Spirit of truth...[Jn. 14:6]" This is clearly stated, we cannot argue about it.
- I will tell about Saint Cyril later
- 9-10 I don't know what you mean by that.
- 17 Yes, these are heresies, just like the council, but popes can be wrong, the canon confirms it, many saints, doctors of the church, theologians tell us this.
- 18 Yes, but judged by the council or successors, but not by impostors. And besides, canon 188 speaks of persistent heresy, but who judges this? A self-proclaimed sedevacantist or an ecclesiastical court! Who gives sedevacantists the right to judge for themselves, like Protestants, who is pope and who is not? I Will refute with one statement canon 1558 the first capital can only be judged by God
- 23-25 Jan 23 (
Opening Address of the Council.
Mother Church rejoices
October 11, 1962
“This Council wishes to transmit the teaching in a pure and intact manner, without weakening or distorting it.
The point is not to discuss one or another article of doctrine, but to present it in a way that corresponds to the requirements of our times... For the depositum fidei itself, that is, the truths contained in our venerable doctrine, is one thing, and the way in which they are presented is another."
Paul VI in 65
Closing speech of the Council
December 7
"The character of the Council was primarily pastoral." Above all, it was not a Catholic council, because it contained heresies contrary to the previous magisterium. And the teachings that are contrary to Catholic values support Masonic ones.
28-32 I don't need to debunk this because I'm not a sedevacantist.
33- yeah ?
34-I'm not going to read it, it's probably about the fact that the previous magisterium had different opinions than the Vatican. I clearly expressed my opinion on this, the council can be heretical, the pope can be heretical too
This is just restating what you believe with no arguments.
we would agree with Augustine in the sense of his the spirit coming through Jesus not in hypostatic properties since the property of origin is only given to the father as the Cappadocians lay out
The rest of this is just non answers, and you breaking this up in the pages and not chapters show you did not read what I wrote in context.
"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
(Mt 16,18)
Hebrews 13:17
"Obey your leaders and be subject to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as they must give an account; let them do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would not be profitable for you." (Refusing to recognize the Pope as pastor is disobedience and contrary to this command.)Letter to the Corinthians 1:10-13
"I beseech you, brethren, that you speak with one voice and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought."
Gospel According to St. John 14:16-17
"I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever, the Spirit of truth..."
(The Church is under the protection of the Holy Spirit and cannot be left without legitimate guidance.)
Romans 13:1-2
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and the existing authorities have been established by God. Whoever resists the authorities resists what God has ordained."
(Recognition of the legitimate pope is necessary as an expression of obedience to God's authority.)
Luke 22:32
"And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers."
(The Pope may be mistaken since the Lord Jesus speaks of his conversion)
Christ's promise concerned not only the person of Peter, but also an enduring institution-the Church built on Peter's foundation. If the Church could exist for decades without a legitimate pope, it would mean that the gates of hell had prevailed over the institution established by Christ, contrary to His words.
b. Assurance of the continuation of the apostolic succession
"And behold, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world"
(Mt 28,20)
(The permanence of the Church as a hierarchical sacramental, teaching and sanctifying community is inextricably linked to its structure and therefore also to the Pope as a visible sign of unity
(cf. Jn 17:21).
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