Hypocrisy Religioncels (41 Viewers)

[FoidSlayer]

This is a real argument summed up with someone like 30 minutes ago

I ask them about god and why he let eve eat the apple if he knew what would happen since he's all knowing. I said doesn't that paint god in a bad picture, something evil.

They say, no eve chose to do that because God gave them free will. It would be the same as a person killing someone, god didn't make them do that they chose to out of free will.

I say, well you agreed that God is all knowing in my first argument so if he really is all knowing wouldn't he know the future? Making every human action predetermined therefore negating free will??

Then this is what they do: no argument, spamming random pictures and tell me to go do muhh research on the bible and then also calling me ugly.

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[hoodsickle]

Over for you if you follow a religion

 

[FoidSlayer]

Over for you if you follow a religion

Muhhh you're ugly cuz you don't believe in a made up God in the sky

 

[FoidSlayer]

XvideosDemon thoughts?

 

[Razi]

Knowing the event will occur doesn’t mean that the event will happen necessarily
Also some theists do believe that God’s knowledge depends on the future because the future doesn’t exist yet and theirs multiple paradoxes concerning omniscience so idk yet

 

[FoidSlayer]

Knowing the event will occur doesn’t mean that the event will happen necessarily
Also some theists do believe that God’s knowledge depends on the future because the future doesn’t exist yet and theirs multiple paradoxes concerning omniscience so idk yet

So many holes in logic and paradoxes surrounding this topic

 

[Razi]

So many holes in logic and paradoxes surrounding this topic

Yes. I remember Plantinga offering a good defense for free will but haven’t read much on him so I wouldn’t know

 

[hippocamp]

This is a real argument summed up with someone like 30 minutes ago

I ask them about god and why he let eve eat the apple if he knew what would happen since he's all knowing. I said doesn't that paint god in a bad picture, something evil.

They say, no eve chose to do that because God gave them free will. It would be the same as a person killing someone, god didn't make them do that they chose to out of free will.

I say, well you agreed that God is all knowing in my first argument so if he really is all knowing wouldn't he know the future? Making every human action predetermined therefore negating free will??

Then this is what they do: no argument, spamming random pictures and tell me to go do muhh research on the bible and then also calling me ugly.

Like bro

 

[hippocamp]

Knowing the event will occur doesn’t mean that the event will happen necessarily
Also some theists do believe that God’s knowledge depends on the future because the future doesn’t exist yet and theirs multiple paradoxes concerning omniscience so idk yet

If God has 100% accurate foresight, then every move you make is already hard coded into the timeline.

You aren't "choosing" you're just following a script that was written before you were even born. If the outcome is fixed free will is pretty much over

 

[hippocamp]

Honestly, eastern religions sometimes make much more sense than abrahamic religions, although all of them are flawed to some extent but i really like some dharmic & chinese philosophies that they preach in the name of religion

 

[FoidSlayer]

Honestly, eastern religions sometimes make much more sense than abrahamic religions, although all of them are flawed to some extent but i really like some dharmic & chinese philosophies that they preach in the name of religion

I think it's all flawed personally, just different coping mechanisms for stuff back then that was labeled unexplainable that is now explainable with new tech and science

 

[birthdefect]

This is a real argument summed up with someone like 30 minutes ago

I ask them about god and why he let eve eat the apple if he knew what would happen since he's all knowing. I said doesn't that paint god in a bad picture, something evil.

They say, no eve chose to do that because God gave them free will. It would be the same as a person killing someone, god didn't make them do that they chose to out of free will.

I say, well you agreed that God is all knowing in my first argument so if he really is all knowing wouldn't he know the future? Making every human action predetermined therefore negating free will??

Then this is what they do: no argument, spamming random pictures and tell me to go do muhh research on the bible and then also calling me ugly.

Like bro

this free will contradiction ive tried explaining to my dad ever since i was like maybe 13?
to this day i dont know the rebuttal
this is why zoroastrianism is the meta, they solve this kinda issue by not making god all powerful, thus he cant just erase evil

 

[eifrotorm11]

This is a real argument summed up with someone like 30 minutes ago

I ask them about god and why he let eve eat the apple if he knew what would happen since he's all knowing. I said doesn't that paint god in a bad picture, something evil.

They say, no eve chose to do that because God gave them free will. It would be the same as a person killing someone, god didn't make them do that they chose to out of free will.

I say, well you agreed that God is all knowing in my first argument so if he really is all knowing wouldn't he know the future? Making every human action predetermined therefore negating free will??

Then this is what they do: no argument, spamming random pictures and tell me to go do muhh research on the bible and then also calling me ugly.

Like bro

It is a logical contradiction to think that the knowledge of god equals to the neccesity of the act you can look up the boethian solution for this.

 

[dookiebootybutt59]

 

[Judenbänker]

I say, well you agreed that God is all knowing in my first argument so if he really is all knowing wouldn't he know the future? Making every human action predetermined therefore negating free will??

The worst argument against free will ever did you see this on r/atheism or something?
Youre literally being a fucking retard thinking knowledge is causation. Determinism/Predestination (actually does exist on catholic theology but only goes one way) is the necessitating of an event, unshared knowledge however does not influence others in the slightest. The knowledge is descriptive of an event while it's causation must be prescriptive. A simple logical experiment would be to think, if God hadn't known she would do it, would that have directly prevented her from doing it? No it wouldnt because the knowledge had no influence. Another thing is that God exist outside of time, while humans still live their actions in linear time, so it only seems preknowing to us because we lack the capability to leave linear time. Most church fathers also talked about the errors of fatalism/theological determinism(ie augustine, irenaenus, john of damascus).

Then this is what they do: no argument, spamming random pictures and tell me to go do muhh research on the bible and then also calling me ugly.

Like bro

Your whole argument lacks basic logical understanding

like bro

 

[Judenbänker]

this free will contradiction ive tried explaining to my dad ever since i was like maybe 13?
to this day i dont know the rebuttal

Because you probably never cared to make even the slightest research about it

 

[Scorpion]

Muhhh you're ugly cuz you don't believe in a made up God in the sky

its ironic because if he really does exist then he is the entire reason ur ugly

 

[Judenbänker]

its ironic because if he really does exist then he is the entire reason ur ugly

Indirectly

 

[birthdefect]

Because you probably never cared to make even the slightest research about it

what would explain it?

 

[i_blame_oxytocin]

in this world
is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law
is it like the hand of god hovering above
at least it is true that man has no control even over his own will

 

[Judenbänker]

what would explain it?

The worst argument against free will ever did you see this on r/atheism or something?
Youre literally being a fucking retard thinking knowledge is causation. Determinism/Predestination (actually does exist on catholic theology but only goes one way) is the necessitating of an event, unshared knowledge however does not influence others in the slightest. The knowledge is descriptive of an event while it's causation must be prescriptive. A simple logical experiment would be to think, if God hadn't known she would do it, would that have directly prevented her from doing it? No it wouldnt because the knowledge had no influence. Another thing is that God exist outside of time, while humans still live their actions in linear time, so it only seems preknowing to us because we lack the capability to leave linear time. Most church fathers also talked about the errors of fatalism/theological determinism(ie augustine, irenaenus, john of damascus).

Your whole argument lacks basic logical understanding

like bro