The paper i sent was not purely self reported and was also assessed by clinicians and was done over the course of months
Again you keep referencing this study, but you should know that the paper is asking "how often are patients developing clinically noticeable edema" not "is everyone storing some water retention to any amount" N ill argue most of the method they used was to see if they had any pre orbital edema, or ankle swelling, and if patient even noticed they bloated from said medication which would be recorded and mentioned, if they dont mention its not recorded there for not being part of the statistic's you love pointing out. Now you're lucky that the majority of the study is hidden behind a paywall so that I can clearly point this out to you.
What kind of point is that
Most people are boneless and will not look angular regardless of being on oral minoxidil not to mention they are literally looking for water retention like what?Should we rely on your anecdote of gaining facial angularity after stopping for a month rather than a data set of over 1400 patients.
When i came off minox for some time i had 0 difference in ang
again you keep referencing the study, but ignore how they recorded water retention and ignore the fact that one of the pathway's responsible for oral minox working is also a pathway responsible for it bloating. N yea you right lets jus bloat more cause we already boneless as it is, good logic
Was not relevant , point is you claiming oral minoxidil causes this insane bloating as if its some angularity nuke
In the case of enhanced users and naturals , you can run it with telmi as an ARB and is good general healthmax and longevity drug to help reduce bloat too
Telmi , inda , amiloride , E2 control and you will be fine and HGH is just shit for muscle building and shouldnt be ran as opposed to other compounds that mog it to another dimension bar maybe the tendon/ligament benefits
It was fucking relevant, you brought up "shit genetics" as an excuse for bloating like that is the only factor when other things combined with it can bloat you. Stop shifting the goal post to sound right. The point went over your head, I mentioned those compounds cause the bloat from those compounds can be 100% mitigated via pharmaceutical drugs in a safe manner, infact it was already fucking implied when I said:
You can use a ARB, ENaC inhibitor, Thiazide, and also aldosterone blocker, and even with all of these stacked, the minox bloat will not be 100% mitigated thats the issue without having to reach for a loop
n than you go on to mention Telmi being the ARB, Amiloride being the ENaC inhibitor, and DNR the HGH response cause I dont even run above 3IU nor is the convo about "is HGH anabolic" which is obviously not.
But when you use all of those but when combined androgens with minox even with those drugs bloat still increases regardless.
minox opens KAPT Channels, vascular resistance increases , when that happens the body tries to compensate for resistance, which than continues to increase capillary hydrostatic pressure. which leads to water retention, all those drugs you mentioned act downstream on the system, but they dont address the cause at all.
none of them address arteriolar vasodilation AKA vascular resistance which leads to bloat. The drugs mentioned cant do fuck if stimulus is still there.
Infact there is a study for this process source:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5341696/?utm_
It's known that vasodilators can trigger multiple compensatory pathways which can lead to fluid retention which is where fucking loop diuretics used in cases like these which I am against. yes we can use the drugs mentioned to attack other downstream effects, but it will never be 100%. so again why the fuck even bother.
TD;LR androgen/hormone bloat pathways can be mitigated while oral minox safely cant.
